Posted by Pamela Gellar of Atlas Shrugs – http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/
Infidel victim, Ernest Perce, has received 471 verifiable threats:
American judge in American court! (minute 29:50) “Our forefathers intended that we use the First Amendment so that we could speak what’s on our mind…not piss off other cultures…Islam is not just a religion, it’s their culture, their culture, their very essence, their very being. They pray five times a day, towards Mecca. To be a good Muslim before you die, you have to make a pilgrimage to Mecca unless you are otherwise told you cannot because you are too ill, too elderly, whatever, you must make the attempt. [IS HE PROSELTYZING?] Their greetings (salum alaikum waliakum as-salm) as answered by voice, uh, may god be with you. It is very common, their language, when they are speaking to each other, it is very common for them to say, uh allah willing, this will happen. It’s they are so immersed in it. And what you’ve done is you’ve completely trashed their essence, their being. They find it very, very, very offensive. I am a Muslim. I find it very offensive… You are way outside your bounds of First Amendment rights (minute 31)
THIS IS AN AMERICAN JUDGE IN AN AMERICAN COURTROOM!!! PATRIOTS WE NEED TO ABSOLUTELY DEMAND THAT HE BE REMOVED FROM THE BENCH! HIS NAME IS MARK MARTIN!
This is why we must have sharia legislation in America. Equal protection under the law. There is no “equal protection under the sharia for non-Muslims. Under Islam, sharia supersedes the law of the land, any and every land.
Earlier today, I reported on a Muslim judge who sided with a violent Muslim who beat up a parade goer wearing a “Zombie Muhammad” costume while marching in a local Pennsylvania Halloween parade.
According to reports, the Parading Atheists of Central Pennsylvania (PACP) were marching in a Halloween parade in Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania,when a Muslim stormed out of the hometown crowd to assault one of the marching atheists who happened to be wearing a Zombie Muhammad costume.
Tn American judge in Pennsylvania ruled on the case and sided with the Muslim, and said that the victim would be put to death in Muslim societies for his “crime.”
But this case is worse than that. Ernest Perce, victim of a Muslim beating, may soon be spending time in jail because he released audio footage (above youtube video) of a court proceeding. Aren’t court cases open to the public?
According to the description of a released video by Perce, Judge Mark Martin – the presiding judge of the court proceeding — is threatening to hold Perce in contempt of court for releasing recorded audio of the case even though, according to Perce, Perce was given permission to release the audio.
Commenting for this article, Perce notes that he released the video because he believes that he was treated unfairly and contends that his alleged assailant had been shown preferential treatment by Judge Mark Martin. Perce says he also released the video because he wants persons to evaluate the audio from the court proceeding.
Judge Mark Martin is also a Muslim.
“Having had the benefit of having spent over 2 and a half years in predominantly Muslim countries I think I know a little bit about the faith of Islam. In fact I have a copy of the Koran here and I challenge you sir to show me where it says in the Koran that Mohammad arose and walked among the dead. I think you misinterpreted things. Before you start mocking someone else’s religion you may want to find out a little bit more about it it makes you look like a dufus and Mr. (Defendant) is correct. In many Arabic speaking countries something like this is definitely against the law there. In their society in fact it can be punishable by death and it frequently is in their society.
Judge Martin then offered a lesson in Islam, stating,
“Islam is not just a religion, it’s their culture, their culture. It’s their very essence their very being. They pray five times a day towards Mecca to be a good Muslim, before you die you have to make a pilgrimage to Mecca unless you are otherwise told you can not because you are too ill too elderly, whatever but you must make the attempt. Their greetings wa-laikum as-Salâm (is answered by voice) may god be with you. Whenever, it’s very common when speaking to each other it’s very common for them to say uh this will happen it’s it they are so immersed in it.
Judge Martin further complicates the issue by not only abrogating the First Amendment, but completely misunderstanding it when he said,
“Then what you have done is you have completely trashed their essence, their being. They find it very very very offensive. I’m a Muslim, I find it offensive. But you have that right, but you’re way outside your boundaries or first amendment rights. This is what, and I said I spent about 7 and a half years living in other countries. when we go to other countries it’s not uncommon for people to refer to us as ugly Americans this is why we are referred to as ugly Americans, because we are so concerned about our own rights we don’t care about other people’s rights as long as we get our say but we don’t care about the other people’s say”
But wait, it gets worse. The Judge refused to allow the video into evidence, and then said,
“All that aside I’ve got here basically.. I don’t want to say he said she said but I’ve got two sides of the story that are in conflict with each other.”
And,
“The preponderance of, excuse me, the burden of proof… “
And,
“…he has not proven to me beyond a reasonable doubt that this defendant is guilty of harassment, therefore I am going to dismiss the charge”
The Judge neglected to address the fact that the ignorance of the law does not justify an assault and that it was the responsibility of the defendant to familiarize himself with our laws. This is to say nothing of the judge counseling the defendant that it is also not acceptable for him to teach his children that it is acceptable to use violence in the defense of religious beliefs. Instead, the judge gives Mr. Perce a lesson in Sharia law and drones on about the Muslim faith, inform everyone in the court room how strongly he embraces Islam, that the first amendment does not allow anyone ” to piss off other people and other cultures” and he was also insulted by Mr. Perce’s portrayal of Mohammed and the sign he carried.
This is a travesty. Not only did Judge Martin completely ignore video evidence, but a Police Officer who was at the scene also testified on Mr. Perce’s behalf, to which the Judge also dismissed by saying the officer didn’t give an accurate account or doesn’t give it any weight.
Pennsylvania judges may be removed in one of two ways:
•The judicial conduct board investigates complaints regarding judicial conduct filed by individuals or initiated by the board. The board determines whether probable cause exists to file formal charges, and presents its case to the court of judicial discipline. The court has the authority to impose sanctions, ranging from a reprimand to removal from office, if the formal charges are sustained.
•Judges may be impeached by the house of representatives and convicted by two thirds of the senate.
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This is where to file or send complaints: (hat tip Brandy)
Wanda W. Sweigart, Court Administrator
wanda.sweigart@pacourts.us
phone: 717-772-3771
The Court of Judicial Discipline of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania
Pennsylvania Judicial Center
601 Commonwealth Avenue, Suite 5500
P.O. Box 62595, Harrisburg, PA 17106-2595
Phone: (717) 772-3771 • Fax: (717) 772-3774
Here’s the homepage http://www.cjdpa.org/index.html
UPDATE: You can write complaints to: (hat tip John)
The Court of Judicial Discipline of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania
Judicial Conduct Board
601 Commonwealth Ave
Suite 3500
PO Box 62525
Harrisburg, PA 17106-2525
Posted by Pamela Geller on Thursday, February 23, 2012 at 08:47 PM | Permalink|Comments (19)|TrackBack (0)
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This judge needs to be removed immediately. Shariah Law is alive and well in the U.S. This peaceful religion sure is not too tolerant. So I am wondering if the man would have beheaded the individual if that would have been justified. It is time to wake up and notice what is going on around you. WE THE PEOPLE need stand and squash this crap where is stands because it is growing rapidly.
Yes, he does need to be removed. In his own words he makes it clear who he is and what he stands for – he’s a Muslim judge in an American courtroom imposing Sharia law by dismissing the charges of a victim who was attacked by a Muslim. Get this one out there, America, and let’s get this guy out of our courtrooms!
How in the hell did MM become a judge in our country? Where does this craziness stop. We do not follow Sharia law in this country. Get this judge off the bench and out of America.
Agreed. More and more states are trying to pass anti-Sharia legislation and two good groups to get behind are Act for America and American Freedom Law Center.
This so called farce of a judge has insulted my religion and complete way of life. I am a Christian and will not stand for his insults. What an ignorant man he is. The muslim infidels constantly insult our beliefs and threaten to kill us for what we believe. If this is what their so called fake prophet is then they will all go to hell when our Lord comes back. We do not teach pure hate and violence like this so called mohammed teaches. We do not preach it is ok to have sex with children or kill people for what they believe Sharia is a pact with the devil himself. Our country has to rid ourselves of this sickness before we are all infected with this animalistic way of life. We need to pay attention to what they have done to other countries. I am speaking of the extreme muslims, but then we also have to be aware of the fact that muslims are taught to kill infidels and that is what they call Americans. That is a sick way of life and thinking. It is so odd that their leaders call for them to sacrifice themselves for mohammed by blowing themselves up, but they dont have the guts to do it themselves. Cowards are what they are. Send women and children to die when they dont have the guts to do it themselves.
You’ve said it all, wow.
you should learn first bro like judge you will known true of islam, if you learn about islam i am sure you will become even you will become muslim.
I’ve learned about Islam by reading the Quran and it doesn’t make me want to become Muslim.
GOD WILL YOU WILL UNDERSTAND THE MESSAGE OF TRUTH GOD OF ISLAM ONE ONE DAY INSHALLAH,GOD is leading for all want , believe God he will show true way of life brother.
I understand what the god of Islam says. He says that if I choose not to believe in him I’m an unbeliever, unclean, the worst of creatures, and will have to live as a second class citizen, pay a poor tax (jizya), not be allowed to practice my beliefs, not be allowed to rebuild a church, and that Muslims must make sure that I feel “subdued.” That’s if I’m a Christian or a Jew. The “idolaters” must be killed. The god of Islam tells you that if one of your brothers leaves Islam he must be killed. Is that forgiving or merciful? Tell me, how much of the Quran is about love? How much of it is about the wonderful principles and great things in Islam? About 14%, perhaps? And how much is it about unbelievers and what to do to them? Hmm, about 64%? Seriously, how much love and tolerance is there? We have groups in the U.S. preaching tolerance, but are they tolerant? They want to come speak at our schools about Islam, and they do. Are Christians allowed to speak at any of their functions? No. Why? Because Islam only wants to be tolerated, it doesn’t return any tolerance. Does Allah love you? How can a god love you if he requires your blood, and the blood of others? I pray for you, and your brothers and sisters. I’m praying that Jesus Christ, the living Son of God, will appear to you in a dream, as He has to so many others. I’m praying that you will see Him for who He is, a Savior who came here to earth in human flesh to die for your sins and for mine. That’s how much Jesus loves you. Peace.
for really christian believe is an unthinkable how can God to has kid? where is his wife? how can God committed suicide?how can some die with other sins? i think you dont read your bible ? every one he/she will liable to their sins, also Jesus sent to only for twelve tribes of israel read your bible other times i wll give you some article may be you will understand brother,i am preparing for some articles from bible i will send toyou brother ALLAH he show you true way of life inshallah
thanks
“For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.” John 3:16-17
Begotten here does not mean that God had sex with Mary. God would not do that. He sent His Holy Spirit down to Mary, who was still a virgin, and she became pregnant through the power of the Holy Spirit. God does not want us liable for our sins, because He says that not one of us is perfect, that we are all sinners, so Jesus paid the price for our sins on the cross, so that we may have everlasting life. Jesus shed His blood to wash away our sins. Does that mean we should go on sinning? No. We should try to live our lives as close as we can to the example Jesus set for us on this earth. Love thy neighbor as thyself. Love your enemies. Bless those that curse you. Jesus had no sin of His own; He carried our sins so that we may live. He has shown me many times in my life that He is real, that He has always been there for me, and that He loves me. He loves you too. By the way, lol, I’m a girl. 🙂
sorry i did not if you are women so sorry, Islam is not kill innocent people so those who kill people i dont think if they are understanding Islam, i tell you Jesus he was a Muslim , he has ever go to church even a single day always he was going to synagogal you known the mean of synagogal is the mosque for Israel try to find in bible, and other think about our relatives christian they don’t understand their book how can kill someone for the sins of others? God he could not forgive without kill Jesus ?unlogically so all about christian is idea of people why even christian they don’t have procedure , so my beloved sister just think and continue to study you will truth i known a lot about christian my mother is a christian till now. have good day all
Jesus was not a Muslim, He was Jewish. And you say those who kill don’t understand Islam? Okay, then I have two questions: 1. Why are Muslims not speaking out and denouncing Hamas and Hezbollah for killing so many people? Why are they not coming out and denouncing the genocide of the Christians in Egypt, Nigeria, Sudan, and elsewhere? 2. Why are moderate Muslims, such as Dr. Zuhdi Jasser, ridiculed and called apostates? Why has the Muslim community shunned him? He speaks out against the killings and the terrorism, he says he’s a devout Muslim, but he doesn’t have much support. And God didn’t “kill Jesus.” Jesus willingly gave His life for us. But remember, He beat death. He rose on the third day and ascended to Heaven to be with His Father and God sent the Holy Spirit down to us to comfort us until Jesus returns. I’m glad your mother is a Christian. Tell me, does she seem happier now that she is?
Just for the heck of it compare
This from the Qur’an: O’ Ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you and let them find harshness in you. Surah 9:123
To
THIS is from the Bible (supposed said by Jesus) “… I say, love your enemies! Pray for those who persecute you! In that way, you will be acting as true children of your Father in heaven.” Matthew 5:43
Which do you prefer? By the way …
I don’t believe Jesus was the son of God. I can say that in any Christian nation on earth and the vast majority of people will shrug their shoulders and say – “as you wish”. Now, go to a Muslim nation and let it be known you don’t believe Mohammad is the prophet. What do you think will happen?
I can burn Bibles on purpose – disrespectful, but not at crime. Now look at Afghanistan. Where do you want to live?
I kinda like the Wiccan Rede: “And if harm none, done as Ye will”. Saw a Muslim, how can that exist? They have no prophet, no book? Are those really requirements for a correct religion? Islam? Hyper sensitive, intolerant, and womanizing. But, you don’t have to agree. BTW, you know any Christmas music? “What Child is This” is one of my favorites. Asked that to ask this, heard any Muslim music lately?
Good points, Tom, and thank you.
Dear Sir, I am a woman and please explain to me all the cruel and inhumane theings that are in the kuran and how it can be for the betterment of mankind. A man has the right to take a young girl and take her innocence when she is still just a child. God gave me a brain that is just as strong and smart as any mans. You have been giving the right to lie and kill for this so called mohamed. i see no love or honesty or anything moral about the so called religion that you speak of. It cuts to the core of how I live my life in comparison to your way of life.
Thank you, and I hope he answers your question.
did he answer you? I know I’m repeating something I said earlier, but want to keep this in front of people. My wife is a Syrian native and lived in Muslim countries for over 40 years. Was born in Kuwait, grew up & finishing high school there. Went to work in Yemen for six years. THEN lived in Damascus. She does NOT like Islam. I told her about the post “If you knew more about Islam, you’d become Muslim” and she said to me (quote) “They all say that”.
I know it is done, but don’t understand why a woman would choose to be Muslim.
He hasn’t written since, and thank you for your information from someone who has lived in other countries. I wonder how many women choose to be Muslim vs. how many have no other choice?
YES EVEN HERE IN AMERICA MANY WOMEN NOW ARE BECOME MUSLIM THAT’S GOOD FOR THE , CHECK THE BOOK BY AUTHOR WHO MICHAEL H HURTS WHO WROTE THE BOOK ‘ 100 INFLUENTIAL PERSON IN 21 CENTURY’ YOU WILL KNOWN GOOD ABOUT ISLAM .
HAVE GOOD ONE GUYS
Hey, Good Buddy, you not even reading between the lines. I admitted that some women have chosen to become Muslim — never met one. I have met about half a dozen who are baffled by the decision.
A good buddy, I knew in the Army, married a Muslim Bosnian girl and almost as soon as she got off the plane she told him she was no longer Muslim. She was glad Islam was behind her. Ever read Ayann Hirsi Ali?? She now had (has?) an armed guard to protect her because she wrote a book about her life as a Muslim girl. How about Brigitte Gabriel?
TRUE – say it again – some women chose it. BUT, my wife, who is an Arab and lived in 3 different Muslim countries was glad to get away from it. When she cleared customs she was followed by 2 Saudi girls in full abaya and were met by a guys (husbands) who were wearing t-shirts and shorts. She told me she hope that was the last time she ever saw that.
How about you letting your wife type a few lines so we can hear from Truthwoman???
You’re right, there are so many former Muslims, women and men, who have left Islam and are happy they did.
Well, those women who are choosing to become Muslim are free to make those choices. Still, I personally wouldn’t choose it. I prefer life where it wouldn’t be legal for my husband, if I had one, to hit me.
Sure , no one is force to become a Muslim is that choice
LOL! Careful, your taqiyya is showing. What about the many who want to leave Islam but can’t because they’re afraid their brothers will kill them for apostasy?
ASK JUDGE MARTIN WHY HE BECOME A MUSLIM MAY BE YOU WILL UNDERSTAND?
I’m sure he has his reasons, and I’d rather spend my time trying to remove him from the bench. Then he can go be a good Muslim if he wishes; as long as he doesn’t do it in an American courtroom.
I’m sure he has his reasons, and I’d rather spend my time trying to remove him from the bench. Then he can go be a good Muslim if he wishes; as long as he doesn’t do it in an American courtroom.
Judge Mark Martin has announced he is Lutheran!!!
You can’t chose to leave Islam while in an Islamic country. Afghan Abdul Rahman declared he was converting to Christianity and found himself in jail under a death sentence. They finally declared he was insane and let him move to Italy. Another Afghan, Ghows Zalmay, translated the Qur’an to Dari and was arrested trying to flee the country. I know they wanted him executed, but I don’t know what happened to him. (you don’t JAIL people for changing their religion)
RIGHT NOW: Yourd Nadarkhani is awaiting execution for Apostasy in Iran – AGAIN right now.
Theo Van Gogh was killed by a Muslim in the Netherlands for blasphemy.
Muslim author, Naguib Mahfouz (I’ve read and greatly enjoyed his trilogy) was attacked and badly injured by a Muslim – when he 82 years old. (BTW – the trilogy has examples of male dominance.) He had to live the rest of his life with bodyguards.
How many thousand rioted and died because of some Danish cartoons – cartoons for Gosh sake. You don’t riot or threaten to kill people for cartoons.
I don’t know of any other religion on earth in which its followers attack and kill others. The western world essentially doesn’t even have the “crimes” of apostasy OR blasphemy.
Say what you want Truthman, Islam does not have good rep and we can give a bunch of reasons from around the world.
I hope Truthman responds to your great comments. And facts. As for Judge Martin saying he was a Lutheran… well, didn’t we hear him say he was a Muslim? And why would a Lutheran judge wave a Quran in the courtroom. Taqiyya allows Muslims to deceive us and I propose that that’s what he’s doing.
Yep yep — I know about taqiyya. I have more time in Muslim countries than Judge Mark Martin (I think he said he has 29 months – I have over 7 years) and I don’t care for it.
HECK – I rented the upstairs of a house for a year while the Muslim family that owned it lived downstairs. (Bosnians – got drunk with them too) I fully admit some Muslims can be great neighbors – even TRUTHMAN might be a great guy. BUT, given my personal negative experiences, plus my wife’s, and the well deserved miserable ‘press’ Islam receives really get in my way of being very positive about it.
I hear you, and I don’t blame you. Why follow a god who doesn’t profess love for you and requires your blood, and the blood of others? I have heard stories of Jesus appearing to Muslims in dreams. Can you imagine? God bless those who long to hear words of love, and forgiveness, and everlasting life in Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior.
its amazing but he did not able to save himself into the cross how can save you and me?its people ideas.
have good one
The point was for Jesus to die on the cross, so that those who believe in Him could have everlasting life. He shed His blood for us because He loves us that much. He paid the price for our sins by doing that, and He came back to life on the third day, and He ascended to Heaven. Yes, He died on the cross, but He rose back to life again. He beat death, and He will return to earth one day to be victorious over satan. Do you have a Bible? Read Ezekiel 38-39, about the War of Gog and Magog. Gog is the prince of Russia and Magog is Russia. Persia is Iran, and the other ancient lands in this Scripture are Libya, Turkey, etc. Those nations are lining up against Israel now, right? This prophecy was thousands of years ago, but it’s coming true now. Don’t you see? What the Bible predicts will happen has either happened or is happening now. Have you ever read the book of John in the New Testament? That’s the story of Jesus. He’s very real, He’s my best friend, and He’s coming back. If the Bible wasn’t true, then why did the Dead Sea Scrolls, found in Israel decades ago, match word for word the Bible we read today? The Dead Sea Scrolls are the most ancient writings of the Hebrew Bible, and skeptics from all over the world came to watch the Scrolls being unearthed, and studied. They wanted to refute the Bible, but instead those skeptics couldn’t refute it. The proof was right there in front of their eyes.
Hmmm, answered TRUTHMAN, and then read Luchadora41. Looks like somewhere back there she and I went to similar schools.
But, anyone besides me see something ODD in the world — over 1,000,000,000 people believe in Islam and another 1,000,000,000 plus believe in Christianity. Are they both right OR are they both wrong??
IS there middle ground that is correct? Would that be Judaism?
Opinion: We believe in a religion because our moms & dads taught what to believe. As we mature we sometimes change our minds. Are we right OR wrong? People accept the teachings of Mohammad OR Jesus on FAITH. They chose to believe the Qur’an/Bible really is the book of God. ((BTW – Quoting the Qur’an/Bible is not a proof of its correctness. Your book supports what you’ve chosen to believe.))
Again, you’re not right OR wrong.
If you’re happy – great. You can compare notes as to the correctness of your beliefs after you’re dead. Mean while –I suggest – live a good life, enjoy the fleeing world that is passing before you, and do harm to none.
You’re right Tom. We’ll see when we die, and do harm to none.
this is good points guy we follow religion because we inherits from our parents so its decision of someone when he/she get mature to decide which religion to follow the good to live peaceful and don’t hurt any one and respect what other people believe. God he will decide who was were in the day of judgement.
I’m a pagan christian at best and you missed it: he wasn’t supposed to save himself!!!
According to the story he was to sacrifice himself for the sins of mankind. But, remember, according to the story; he rose from the grave showing the believers a promise of life after death.
Said before, I don’t believe he was the son of God, but I do admire his teachings. Heck, I like some Buddha’s too. (Daughter in law is Buddhist). Probably all of Islam isn’t bad, but it has a terrible marketing program in progress.
I just want to let you all know that even die-hard liberals such as myself are in full agreement with the right on this one! What this judge has done is a disgrace to the constitution, the judicial system and American law in general. I didn’t even believe this story when I first read it on another site, but it’s clearly 100% true. I must say I’m proud of Ernest Perce in his determination to get the proof of this story out there – if we let a judge get away with this just one time, it will surely be the beginning of bad things to come.
Thank you for your comments and I’m especially glad that a die-hard liberal, as you’ve described yourself, is as concerned about this as the right is. There is a concerted effort to impose Sharia in America, and although it’s creeping in slowly, it’s creeping just the same. CAIR is at the forefront in trying to Islamize our nation and we need to take a stand and quit being so politically correct. I’m not anti-Muslim; I’m anti-Sharia law replacing our Constitution. We must make our voices heard.
Just an FYI…this judge is a REPUBLICAN.
That doesn’t surprise me. They’ve infiltrated the Democrats already and are infiltrating the Republicans and Conservatives. Take Suhail Khan, for instance, of the American Conservative Union…he was featured at CPAC.
I did not her sharia law. All I heard was the judge say; he is muslim. Which is freedom of speech. Perhaps he should have not sdaid such; but the case was about the muslim/faith. Had someone said to you; you mother is a xcxx sucker… and you pushed him. Well enough judges have ruled; that the comment was personally offensive and not broad in general; which is in line with freedom of expression. Being broad and not attacking ones person/beliefs (in other words; you have the right to remain silent and not be attacked with cause). Also; while one does have freedom of speech; shouting fire in a theater is illegal… because it is a personal indictment or attack. If you are not religious; why would you want to wear a religious costume… if not to illicit a response. That response has no personal responsibility (at someone else’s exspence/muslims). The christain faith has 10 thousand such saints. In fact… the muslims respect and believe in Jesus. Though I know that others want their right to be atheists. But if your atheist; what difference does it make… if others believe. That is like saying; your religion impinges on my lack of religion. It is an attack. As for law; many of the founding fathers actually memorized the bible. They were all of faith; though you might find an exception. I think that even our founding fathers; would have thrown you in prison for blasphemy; though there would have been bickering about faiths in general. Which is not the argument. The argument is not of faith. But what is good for the whole; with an emphasis on the founding fathers faith. This is muck-racking, and I hope your confined for such time… as you beg that judge for relief. You participated in a parade and want equal rights; while teaching your children not to respect others. Why should you get/have any respect. What more could you ask of a bench in a legal agreement. I personally don’t believe in the bench… I would rather see people justice prevail. But people lack reason and thus we have judges. Though I think the flip side; is that judges have taken certain alienable rights away from the people; which you are now claiming. Welcome to reality. Now your asking for people power again. Except in that scenario; more would confine you for your lack of belief. So either way; your type skirts both sides of the fence, just because you can. Good luck to you. Eventually; you’ll get yours. By the way; Muslims are indeed better people in lifestyle (walking the talk) and conviction (respecting others)… than americans in general. So no surprise there. But everyone is entitled to an opinion correct. Live among the wolves;…. you better be strong. Funny, when someone gets offensive with one of the christain saints… often they stop or gag that free speech. So in short… your on the edge. Thank your lucky stars; your not on vacation in a muslim area. I’d say watch your butt. If you ever find the need to leave; don’t… you might find yourself in hot water. Glad to hear you like freedom… because now there will be many extremists whom remember you… and that’s no way to live my friend. Even if you don’t believe… I find it rather hypocritical; that cristians would call for freedom of religion; and almost 99 percent of them practically hate the muslims. Yet you don’t hear that kind of venomous hatred toward per say witches and satanists anymore. Which is a rather perverse justice. What you can expect; is a lack of respect of freedom… from division; but then… that is what you want… and you’d make a great person of evil… if you ever believed in such. Opinion.
I almost didn’t approve your veiled threat but decided I’d let it be read. And if you knew Christians at all, you’d know that most, in fact, do not hate Muslims. We are against America being under Sharia law. And you say Muslims are better people? Then why are they killing Christians in Egypt and their own fellow Muslims just because they leave Islam? Oft-forgiving, ever merciful? I don’t think so.
Religion of any kind does not belong anywhere in a courtroom. Nothing should supersede a law that applies to all. I find this issue revolting and I am hoping that at least here, on this issue, Conservatives to the most Liberal will find a unity. Don’t focus on this guy being a republican please. It is irrelevant. I say that as a independent.
I hope on this and every other discussion this stays on topic about a judge who put more value on religion than US Law.
Agreed, and thank you for your comment. You’re right.. this judge put Sharia law above Constitutional law, he swore an Oath to the Constitution, and that’s what he needs to uphold.
I’ve spent 7 years in Muslim countries, but heck with that – my wife is a Syrian national and Christian – and lived in Muslim nations for over 40 years. I think she has some expertise and she doesn’t like them. She believes in religious freedom and believes in the United States, the law trumps Islam. Folks, I think that’s a good summary.
Yes it is a good summary, and thank you. You’re right, the law of this country trumps any other law that wants to worm its way in here, and we must stand up for it, wherever and whenever we can.
Dear Ms. Sweigart,
I am writing to express my disgust with the judicial behavior of Judge Mark Martin. His appalling judgment in this matter follows the same logic that argues for the annihilation of those who who dare to speak out in disagreement. As a Pennsylvanian who lost a family member in the attacks of 9/11 I’m sickened that Judge Martin’s religious convictions trump US law.
You’re right, and great letter. After all, what is freedom of speech about? That we have to be silenced when someone disagrees with us? I don’t thinks so. There is plenty I disagree with, but they have the right to say it and I have the choice to ignore it.
I am absolutely appalled at how a United States Judge acted and ruled in the court case against Ernest Perce. Mr Perce’s actions, however offensive, were legal and within his rights do do. When somebody assaults him, they are breaking the law. Judge Martins actions and comments are not only offensive but they violate the US Bill of Rights. I am a military veteran, served many years in the Middle East, and I have a Graduate Degree in Criminology. Judge Martin was correct about how in Arabic speaking countries Mr. Perce would be killed. However we are in THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA and as citizens we can exercise our rights. It is against the law for me to beat the life out of somebody for burning the American flag. Even though I have fought and been injured for that flag. Many friends, brothers, and family members have died fighting for that flag but I have to watch them burn it. So when somebody attacks another person because they feel insulted and a US Judge says its OK to do that because the Islamic faith allows it. Well this ruling sets a precedent and it says many things to me. First it says that I can beat the life out of people for burning the flag because it insults me. Second it tells me that the Islamic faith is a threat to me as a Christian because their faith allows for the killing of infidels.
Get this guy off the bench!
I couldn’t have said it better myself, thank you. And yes, this judge needs to be removed immediately. He’s dangerous to America and has violated his Oath to the Constitution by disregarding Constitutional law in favor of Sharia law.
Very little has been reported concerning this. Not many are even aware of it. If they had been, this judge would not be a judge. Hopefully, it will get more attention in the coming weeks. Please write and complain to the media also. This is an outrage and if allowed to continue in this direction, we are all in trouble in America.
Agreed, this story should get more attention before “creeping Sharia” becomes the law of the land.
I’m getting into this the debate here a little late, and I’ sorry for that. But I think it is better to be late than to simply have jumped in with my initial outrage and lack of understanding of some of the facts of this case. I was as some of you completely outraged at Judge Mark Martin’s ruling, but on listening more carefully to the proceedings and reading more about the case, I have to say that where I first was certain that Martin was in complete violation of his Oath of Office and should be arrested, convicted, and removed from the position as he had ruled in accordance with his Muslim beliefs, I now believe that in fact as the case was presented before him, he had no choice but to rule as he did, though he undoubtedly rejoiced in that fact.
First, I have seen the video Perce made that night. Nothing can be concluded from it. It is not grainy, as has been reported in some stories. It is simply too dark to make out any detail whatsoever. You hear noises, some words, but nothing conclusive to corroborate Perce’s allegations.
Next, the Judge made his ruling on the basis of a lack of evidence and the fact that it was simply a case of one man’s word against another’s. And like it or not, that is simply how that case developed. Perce produced no witnesses to back up his story, and though the Police officer who responded at the time of the incident was in the courtroom, he was apparently not there as a witness but instead was acting as attorney for the plaintiff, Mr. Perce! Since when in Pennsylvania or anywhere in America does the Police officer who took the complaint act as the lawyer on behalf of the complainant? Is Sgt. Curtis a qualified attorney? He obviously wanted to join in with Mr., Perce in bringing his case before the court, but he would have been infinitely more valuable to his case as a witness rather than acting as his attorney and cross examining the defendant. By doing that, he removed the one chance they had to counter-act the Judges decision that it was simply one man’s word against another’s word, because then they would have had two sworn testimonies against Mr. Talaag Elbayomy instead of just one. They would have had Perce’s sworn testimony that in fact Elbayomy did lay hands on him, and they would have had Sgt. Curtis’ sworn testimony that Elbayomy admitted to that at the time of the incident when he (Sgt. Curtis) responded to the call for police. Instead, he was reduced to impotently trying to get Elbayomy to admit under oath that he did in fact tell Sgt. Curtis at the time of the incident that he had layed hands on Perce.
In the end, though I don’t like it, the Judge made the correct ruling based on the evidence brought before him. His lecturing and insertion of his own religious views is entirely unethical, however, going way beyond the scope of the duties of a judge in an American court of law, however, and should be brought before whatever governing bodies in Pennsylvania there are to control unethical and unlawful behaviour in a court of law by a sitting judge.
This was a poorly constructed and poorly presented case, and Perce and Sgt. Curtis made a complete botch of it. They are responsible for losing in a court of law; not the judges’ religious beliefs. The judge is responsible for his unethical outbursts and should be censured and hopefully even removed from the bench for trying to suppress the tape from ever being released by threatening Perce with arrest on contempt of court charges, if that can be proven. Because that would be a case of cover up of his inappropriate behaviour and as such, obstruction of justice, I think.
Good points, and we shall see where this goes.
Thank you for your response, luchadora41. So many bloggers don’t give the people commenting on their blogs the courtesy of a response, so I appreciate it here.
You’re welcome, and have a great day! 🙂
Hey “Truthman”. You need to leave the USA. Goodbye.
WHY I SHOULD LEAVE USA MY DEAR I AM CITIZEN WHERE I WILL GO?
Truthman,
If you’re citizen, what is your first language? Don’t tell us English, that won’t fly.
مواطن؟ حقاً؟ ربما حالياً، ولكن من أين أنت؟
Meanwhile, yesterday in Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa province of Pakistan gunmen stopped a bus, took off 18 men, and killed them. Their crime – they were Shiite.
On 23 FEB, in Iraq, 55 Shiite were killed:
• 6 in Kadhimya district by bombs
• 6 in Sapafiy district by gun men ==== I don’t see a need to go on.
Islam as a religion of peace just ain’t floating. You might be a great guy, Truthman, but this is certainly the wrong place to try telling people about the Glories of Islam. Because to us – it just doesn’t have any.
ISLAM IS NOT ALLOWING TO KILL PEOPLE YOU SHOULD DIFFERENTIATE ISLAM AND ARAB MANY PEOPLE ARE CONFUSING ARAB THEY HAVE OWN PROBLEM AND CULTURE PROPHET SAID IF YOU KILL SOMEONE IS LIKE KILL ALL PEOPLE AROUND THE WORD, ALSO KILLINGS NOWADAYS HAPPEN ANYWHERE EVEN IN AMERICA TIMOTHY MARKVEY KILLED A LOT OF PEOPLE IN OKLAHOMA SO THINK ABOUT THAT BRO.
HAVE GOOD DAY
Truthman, are you a Shiite Muslim? And look at how many people Muhammad killed. Your whitewashed version of Islam doesn’t cut it here, because we know better. Timothy McVeigh was one person, and what he did was wrong. How can you compare him to the violence Islam is causing in the world today? The only reason you don’t see terrorist attacks in America is because they’re using stealth jihad now. Infiltration from within. You cannot expect a person, such as myself, who has read the Quran, to believe Islam is peaceful. Quite the opposite, in fact. Whatever happened to live and let live? Islam can’t do that unless all people submit to Islam. Islam preaches tolerance? Well, you want us to tolerate you but you won’t tolerate us, correct? Unless we pay a poor tax and feel ourselves “subdued.” Sorry, we are all created equally.
hi my dear, i think you don’t remember history , all war prophet fought was not force any one to became Muslim it was defense ,there are religion like Islam in this planet even christian scholar agree with it, refer the book wrote by Michael h. hurt this guys is not muslim is an america christian wrote the book Called “hundred influential person in the 21 century find this book and read you will known about Islam don’t listen propaganda. and are many christian scholar wrote about Islam do research .
thanks
Defense? You call invading other countries, looting, murdering and pillaging defense? Islam was spread by Muhammad through force; those who didn’t submit were killed and those who did had to live as second class citizens. I have done my research, thanks. Tell me, why are Muslims killing Coptic Christians in Egypt?
Morning Luch! Of course we will never change his mind. BUT, he sure isn’t going to change ours.
You and I are in total agreement.
Morning Tom, and great comments! You have put facts out there that are hard to refute, and I hope Truthman responds to what you said. And you’re right, you and Truthman and I will have to agree to disagree, but I sure would like an honest response from him to you. Truthman, do you have anything to say? What about all the killings Tom has cited?
Timothy Markey??? The DEA agent killed in Honduras? OOOOH, Thanks, Luchadora41 – he means Timothy McVeigh. Going to invite comparisons give the correct person to compare to . BTW Truthman, I agree with ‘Luch’ and here’s some more. NOT opinions – facts:
While we are comparing murderers how about Seiung-Hui Cho – gunned down 57 people at VA Tech, killed 32 of them. How about that kid in Ohio who shot 5 this week, three of which, so far have died. We got murderers all over the place – John Wayne Gacy jumps to mind. There’s a sick puppy. Killed at least 33, but I doubt if they found all the bodies. But none of them did it in the name of religion.
You said (c&P) “DIFFERENTIATE ISLAM AND ARAB MANY PEOPLE ARE CONFUSING ARAB THEY HAVE OWN PROBLEM”. (quote)
((You claim you’re a citizen, where did you learn English? I assumed your first language was Arabic, but you didn’t reply to the questions provided by my wife in Arabic. Hmm, where are you from? Ain’t Kansas.))
The first example I gave you yesterday, the 18 yanked off a bus and killed, were in Pakistan. My map tells me that Pakistanis are not Arabs. Iran hangs gays. The net is viral with videos of their hangings. Some were children. Iran is not Arab.
You also said: ISLAM IS NOT ALLOWING TO KILL PEOPLE. I think you mean: Islam does not allow murder. What a total unmitigated crock. NO law in any book prevents people from killing people.
HOW about this:
“Muslim-versus-Christian attacks, this was a mob attack by Muslims against men who claimed to be their own fellows: members of a Islamic sect called the Ahmadiyah.”
(This was in Indonesia FEB 2011 – they’re not Arab, but they are Muslim)
Or this: “There were no known witnesses to the gruesome killings, but police suspect that there were three gunmen, possibly new members of the Moro Islamic Liberation Front, a Muslim rebel group with a long history of armed conflict against the national government. One of the pastor’s nieces noted, “Some Muslim extremists in the area were inviting him to embrace Islam once again, but he refused.” (This was in the Philippines – they’re not Arab, but they are Muslim)
Anders Behring Breivik killed over 70 in Norway. Not because of religion because he was (quote) “paranoid and schizophrenic”.
YES, US, Norway, Germany, pick-a-country, do have murderers – such as McVeigh, Gacy, Cho – but they are not killing for Islam as they are doing in Pakistan, Indonesia, Somalia, Philippines, shall I go on? Where they are Not Arabs, but they are Muslims.
Defensive wars? This is c&p from Wikipedia: “Muhammad united the conflicting tribes, and after eight years of fighting with the Meccan tribes, his followers, who by then had grown to 10,000, conquered Mecca.” Note the term “conquered”. That’s defensive? Fast forward — Vienna was under siege twice 1529 & 1683 – that was defensive? Right, I know that was the Ottoman Turks, not Muhammad — but weren’t they Muslim? Vienna is a looong way from Turkey.
SIDEBAR: I do know that Muhammad (did you know there are 14 different spellings of the name??) was being persecuted by the pagans of the area. Now how much was pure defense and how much was to promote his beliefs I am NOT sure.
All this stuff about the Crusaders invading the land of Islam — how about the invasion of Europe by the Turks?? They held their empire for centuries while the Crusaders were almost laughable by comparison.
BTW – we still haven’t heard from Truthwoman. What does she think?
I REFER YOU GUYS TO THE BOOKS CALLED ‘100 HUNDRED INFLUENTIAL PERSON IN THE 21 ST CENTURY’ THE AUTHOR IS CHRISTIAN CHECK IT YOU WILL KNOWN TRUE OF ISLAM ISLAM.
THANKS
Why are you unable to respond to our comments and questions? Do you deny that Muslims are killing people in various countries, for Islam?
agree with Luch… don’t refer to books. We can do that do. Reply to the news items.
Islam is not allowing to kill innocent people if you don’t want to accept is up to you guys, islam itself means peace .
Islam is not allowing to kill innocent people if you don’t want to …
YOU mean : Islam doesn’t allow Muslims to kill innocent people???
Are you stupid? Brain dead? In some sort of cosmic dential? YOU READ ENGLISH NEWSPAPERS? You READ on-line news??? You read PERIOD???
You aren’t saying anything but the party line. This is not a retort to our comments.
Gave you new articles about murders in PI and Pakistan — nothing. Except “Muslims are not allow to kill people” Tell you Iranians are hanging teenage boys: “Muslims are not allowed to kill people” Told about Iraqi Sunni killed scores of Shiite, and this is your answer “Muslims are not allowed to kill people. THIS IS MUSLIMS KILLING PEOPLE. Is something WRONG with you? or are you showing the Muslim mind set???
You really need to get out more often.
Islam is not teach like that listen me i am good Muslim if you dont want is up to you, islam itself means peace so its your decision.
A Pakistani official says a suicide bomber has killed 23 people, many of them believed to be militants, in an attack on the base of a rival insurgent group.
Friday’s bombing took place in the Tirah Valley region close to the border with Afghanistan.
Political administration official Iqbal Khan says the target of the bombing was the base of the Lashkar-e-Islam group. He didn’t immediately know how many of those killed were militants and how many were civilians.
A commander of the Pakistani Taliban, which is a rival of Lashkar-e-Islam, claimed responsibility for the attack in a call to an Associated Press reporter. The commander gave his name as Mohammed.
http://www.npr.org/2012/03/02/147791412/suicide-bomber-attacks-militant-base-in-pakistan?ft=1&f=1001
AND Peace to you
Sounds real peaceful, doesn’t it? Muslims justify calling Islam the religion of peace because peace to them is when everyone has submitted to Islam. Really? I doubt if women who are beat call it peaceful. What about the guys who behead infidels? Do they feel peace when they do it? Is it peaceful to subjugate people? What about Islamic supremacy? Yes, I bet it makes them feel really peaceful to consider themselves superior to others. Peace indeed.
Islam also means to submit. Tell me, what would happen to you if you left Islam? What would your brothers and sisters do to you? Would they say they were happy for you or would you fear for your life? Tell the truth.
Luch … frankly, I am not sure what the Hell he is saying. HEY, pilgrim, Really- you’re tap dancing.
You’re spouting the party line without commenting on anything.
You’re right Tom, it’s almost robotic.
Bottom Line this took place in America.. therefore United State Laws are applicable here.. Regardless of how the judge feels (his opinion) is not relevant… what is relevant, is the only true crime was the assault.. if this case is used for future cases… in theory its well within my rights to physically attack people according to how they make me feel or my emotional level… Honestly the rest of the world hates America by a very large percentage and Americans are not shown equal rights or common courtesy in their countries. Your Homeland Laws are not relevant in the USA and its US Law that is applicable.. So keep your hands to yourself or you Will Go To Jail and maybe take an ass whooping…
You’re right, and thanks for your comments. The DHS and FBI have taken all references of terrorism, Islam, jihadists, etc, out of their training manuals and instead consider “right-wing extremists” a danger, such as Tea Party members, those who have a 7 day supply of food, those who speak out against the government. And the NDAA gives Obama and the Military the authority to detain American citizens without due process, and basically disappear us. Is there something wrong with this picture?